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Newsletter 00X: Books finished, books in progress

Last week’s newsletter ballooned quite a bit so this week I’ll focus just on a reading update: books I’ve finished and books in progress

Books I finished

I’ve been improving with listening to fiction audiobooks. Or it just might be that I’m doing it while walking more along fixed paths. (No automobile traffic and less bike traffic so I don’t need to be as aware of my surroundings.) I’m getting better at noticing when my attention has drifted and rewinding back to where I was. This is clearly not scientific, but I’m rewinding less often and the jumps are smaller.

The Wise Man’s Fear by Patrick Rothfuss

Really glad I picked this back up and finished it. I don’t read a ton of fiction so it’s been a while since I felt immersed in another world. Even outside of books, most movies I see are in one or the other comic universes. Or even catching up on Black Mirror it’s usually earth a couple decades from now. And now I join the others waiting for the third book in the series. I picked this series up after seeing it recommended in one of those “I like Game of Thrones, what should I read?” threads. If you’re in the same boat, check it out because it lives up to that and more.

It’s great how Rothfuss portrays the process of learning empathy for people in other cultures. Particularly realizing that the normal things you do seem just as odd from their perspective. (Pretty cool to see that things in the book like storytelling with knots isn’t fantasy at all.) Fun quips are utilized throughout:

I’d heard he had started a fistfight in one of the seedier local taverns because someone had insisted on saying the word “utilize” instead of “use.”

A Complaint Free World by Will Bowen

Last week I mentioned I complain too much. I still haven’t go the purple wristband but I’ve noticed this week that I really do see when I’m complaining. When I do, I’m able to re-frame it. (Usually using Jocko’s “Good.”) Getting those reps in is valuable. From A Complaint Free World:

It takes time and conscious effort to make it through that first complaint-free day. But once your habits and your thinking start to change, it becomes easier. The key is to keep trying. For me, this challenge was not just about stopping complaining; it’s about turning the complaints into gratitude for the blessings that I have. I see the good instead of only seeing things to complain about.

I started writing daily gratitudes down (with the 5-Minute Journal) and it’s one of the best habits I’ve started and kept in the last year. Writing down good things helps you recognize other good things that happen in the day.

I really like the idea that Bowen presents of flipping the modes of thinking when it comes to luck. Often we credit our hard work and complain when we have bad luck. Instead, if something goes wrong take ownership and see where you can improve. If something goes right, be grateful for your good luck.

Books in progress

The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler

I hung out with a full-time poker player once. Not someone collecting bracelets regularly or anything. He was just making enough to replace his day job that he decided to do it full time. The thing that’ss stuck with me is that he said it’s a grind. It can be draining. I sit at a desk on most days for most of the day. The work can be mentally draining.

I haven’t played poker since the games for fun with friends here and there in college. I haven’t played at all for years. I thought it’d be interesting to learn about how poker players think and what issues they face and how they can improve.

I was guessing a lot of the mental game applies outside of poker with just a little bit of abstraction and have been really enjoying this book it for that. For example, here’s a note about variance:

The problem is that because of variance, monetary results alone are unreliable measures in the short term of how you played. Here are a few better ways to evaluate how you played: Look closely at tough decisions to see how you played them. Estimate how much variance influenced results. Calculate whether you accomplished the qualitative goals you set before the session.

It’s really valuable in so many other ways to just look at how you played a situation instead of focusing on the outcome. You can make the right play and still come out on the losing end of things. Looking forward to reading the rest of this and will probably pick the second book up as well.

The Messy Middle: Finding Your Way Through the Hardest and Most Crucial Part of Any Bold Venture by Scott Belsky

The middle of a venture is like a lengthy road trip without windows. It is psychologically torturous to travel without any sense of where you are along the way—no sense of progress or landmarks—and without a sense for how many miles remain. Your concept of time becomes warped, and impatience stews.

I heard something recently on a podcast and will now butcher it: you can feel like you’re failing for a long time but then succeed because the consistency pays off. You only felt like you were failing the entire time because you were stretching just enough and growing slowly.

On the other hand, you can also feel like you’re succeeding for a long time and still fail. What worked initially eventually turned into consistently treading water until you were passed by others.

So far I’m enjoying how focused The Messy Middle is on the truths of the journey. Starting is fun. Finishing is a great peak. All the rest of the time is going to be in the middle. It’s worth learning how to navigate through the mess.

The Diamond Age: Or, a Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer by Neal Stephenson

Every few minutes I smile because some recent technology I’m enjoying right now is being described in a book from 1995. For example, here’s a description of personalized news:

Now nanotechnology had made nearly anything possible, and so the cultural role in deciding what should be done with it had become far more important than imagining what could be done with it. One of the insights of the Victorian Revival was that it was not necessarily a good thing for everyone to read a completely different newspaper in the morning; so the higher one rose in the society, the more similar one’s Times became to one’s peers’.

We’re able to curate the media we consume pretty specifically these days. For a few seconds anytime I walk into a book store I remember that there are so so many more books than what I see in targeted experiences online. (So you’re telling me there’s more books than just “Subtle Art…”?)

It felt like a good idea to try and read all of Neal Stephenson’s novels and as I get further into The Diamond Age, that feeling is even stronger.

Coming up

Next week I’m really excited to check out James Clear’s Atomic Habits. In the meantime I’ll be reading the books above.

And I’ll leave you with some more photos from a recent walk. That post about these very long walks is coming… eventually.

Newsletter 000: If I had a newsletter

While starting this draft I’m currently waiting for the Khabib/Conor fight. (Writing this with the undercard in the background.) 

What kind of value could I create if I had a weekly newsletter? I’ve tried it in the past. What could I share that’s unique?

  • I read a lot of books: This isn’t particularly unique but it’s a start. There are quite a few people who read more than me who are also happy to write and share what they’re reading. Still, it’s worth putting a circle down for the venn diagram.
  • I listen to a lot of podcasts: This is more and more common but I really just listen to a ton and always have. That’s why I think doing the book + podcast pairings would be good. Using podcast interviews in place of my own interviews probably gets me 80% of the value. Because it’s often just a few sentences that don’t appear in a book anywhere that make calling someone up and talking to them so good. (The other 20% would be that you get some street cred for having access to them. Which also could be the 80% if that’s more important—it very well could be.)
  • I use an iPad (just about) every day: Of my top 5 most viewed (which isn’t saying much!) videos on YouTube, 3 are about making presentations with an iPad. I’d be happy to make more of them, too. I’m typing this on an iPad right now. I really like the thing. I use the Pencil pretty much daily.
  • I write (just about) every day: I’m not publishing things every day but I do have a habit of writing small things here and there. I have outlines of future posts that I’ll never get around to finishing. I have full drafts that I’ll never get around to publishing. And that’s fine. I’d like to finish more though. But I do write regularly. Maybe now’s the time to treat it with a little more respect.
  • I live in New York: It’s… a pretty popular place for writers to live. So it’s not really unique but still it’s worth putting down. As long as I do things that make it uniquely New York. Or start putting some more of that day to day life into the posts.

So there we go. I always want to get away from writing about writing and blogging about blogging. Then I just keep blogging about blogging, like right now. Anyway. I’ll try to write this newsletter with each of those 5 elements. First up. A venn diagram of those 5 intersections.

Oh yeah… I just remembered that it needs to be that weird shape so that all the combinations of intersections show up.

Anyway, I think only the center really matters for trying to make this stand out. (brb i think i need to read Purple Cow)

So I’ll just fill this newsletter with a little bit of each.

  • Books: I’ll share what I’m reading
  • Podcasts: I’ll share some of my favorites from the week
  • iPad: I’ll share more bad venn diagram drawings
  • Writing: Maybe that’s sort of implicit since this is a written newsletter
  • New York: I took a very long walk today so I’ll share that (Update: Moving that to a separate post.)

I’m 600 words in… Let’s get started!

Books: Still skimming too many

I’d love to have a book tracking section on the site. Mostly because I need a better system for picking books. That said, I need to apply some of the ideas from @sirupsen’s “How I Read”:

Inevitably, it grew into a large number of unread books on my Kindle, which made me often dread opening it. It felt like an ever-growing to-do list (where each item takes many hours to complete).

Until I have anything more elaborate, I’ll just share books I finished, books in-progress, and books I plan on reading. And also books I’m sort of reading (things I know I won’t read cover to cover or books I’m re-reading parts of).

Books I finished this week (didn’t necessarily start this week):

  • It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work by Jason Fried and DHH: I don’t do this often, but I read this in a day. And not like listening to an audiobook at 3.5X. Or the “How to read a book in a day (aka just skim it!)” type of reading. I set a few hours in the morning and at night to finish it. Enjoyed every bit of it. If you like Jason Fried and DHH’s writing you’ll enjoy this book also. There’s no fluff. They’ll change your mind about something about the best ways to work. Calmness is worth practicing. (And check my post out for more about this book!)
  • The Little Black Book of Workout Motivation by Michael Matthews: Good book about motivation. It’s not as specific to workouts as you might guess from the title. I see that as a good thing. (You very well might see it as a bad thing.) He makes it stick with some science, interesting historical examples, and personal stories from starting out wanting to write a book to now having employees and running a big fitness business.
  • 21 Lessons for the 21st Century by Yuval Noah Harari: This is a collection of essays around some of the themes in Harari’s Sapiens (what happened) and Homo Deus (what’s can possibly happen) with a focus on what we can possibly do now to prevent some of those bad possible futures. Loved the heavy technology essays. I’m a sucker for any new discussion about whether we’re in a simulation or not. And he made politics and globalization issues approachable. (Not quite my strengths in subject matter knowledge.)
  • The Code of the Extraordinary Mind by Vishen Lakhiani: Biggest takeaway here is the idea of “brules”—I’ve seen them similarly called limiting beliefs or invisible scripts. If you work out regularly, you’ve probably made changes to your exercise approach to reach your goals. That kind of mindset can be applied to so much more than fitness. You’re allowed to be happy even if you haven’t reached your goal yet. You’re allowed to change careers. In many cases, you don’t need permission in the first place.

Books in progress:

  • The Messy Middle by Scott Belsky: Just started this. Like just started the intro. I want to start having a more focused rotation (probably something like one fiction, one business/self-development-y nonfiction, one biography/narrative nonfiction) of books I’m reading from start to finish. This will be my business/self-development-y book for the next few weeks. I’ll write some posts about it.
  • The Wise Man’s Fear by Patrick Rothfuss: Picked this back up. I’ve been listening to it on long walks and am starting to really enjoy going through books this way. I have a hard time listening to fiction books during my commute. I think it’s because I’m focused on not getting run over. I’m about 3/4 through it now and probably liked the first book more but we’ll see how this ends. (There’s something great about first books in fantasy series and just learning what’s possible and seeing where the edges are.)
  • A Complaint Free World by Will Bowen: I complain too much. That’s something I realized this year. I want to complain less. Quick advice up front: get a wristband to give yourself a physical thing to do (move it to your other wrist) when you catch yourself complaining.

Next up (I think):

  • The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson: Something Yuval Noah Harari mentions in 21 Lessons for the 21st Century is that science fiction is important. So much of our technology was first imagined in science fiction from decades ago. It motivated me to read more science fiction. Some of my favorite books ever (Enders Game, The Forever War) are science fiction. I don’t read enough science fiction considering how much I enjoy it. I read Stephenson’s Snow Crash a few years ago and read In the Beginning…Was the Command Line a few months ago. I want to read as many of Stephenson’s novels as possible. I think I’m gonna go with The Diamond Age, then Anathem, then Seveneves, then Cryptonomicon. As always we’ll see. But for now, I’m excited to start The Diamond Age.
  • Atomic Habits by James Clear: This comes out next week and I’m really looking forward to it. James Clear’s blog was one of the main inspirations for how I’ve approached my blog. He appeared on The School of Greatness and listening to that episode got me excited for the book. From a couple early impressions I’ve read, it’s a very practical book about habits.

Podcasts: Matt Damon, James Clear, and Ryan Holiday

Matt Damon (Bill Simmons Podcast)
They talk a lot about Good Will Hunting (and how the first draft was a college assignment), growing up in the industry with Ben Affleck (and hated the narrative that Ben took bad roles while Matt picked smart roles), Rounders (with a great John Malkovich impression), and a lot more. It’s almost two hours and great the entire way through.

Pairs well with… Principles by Ray Dalio

Matt Damon tells a bunch of stories about looking for jobs in the 90s. He was competing for the same roles that were going to Brendan Fraser, Ed Norton, and oh yeah his roommate, Ben Affleck.

Anyway, he describes a “come to Jesus” moments with him and Ben where they looked at the landscape and realized their strategy couldn’t be to wait around to get lucky. This led to them focusing on writing Good Will Hunting and insisting that they were the lead actors in it. Principles is about stepping back and understanding the bigger picture.

It’s interesting to hear Damon talk about his own career as a whole while going through a few individual movies and their outcomes. He knew that The Martian was high risk/high reward because a big percentage of the movie is just him, alone on screen.

The Rainmaker seemed like a surefire hit (it wasn’t) because adaptations of John Grisham books were killing. And he didn’t expect Good Will Hunting to become what it became. (Their goal was to make something they’d be proud to have on their VHS shelf.)

Any of those single outcomes doesn’t define the bigger picture.

Ray Dalio describes this with a poker analogy in Principles:

For example, if you’re a poker player and you play a lot of poker, you will win some hands and lose others and on any given night you might walk away with less money than a lesser player who’s gotten lucky. It would be a mistake to judge the quality of a player based on just one outcome. Instead, look at how well someone does what they do and the outcomes they produce over time.

Damon talks about taking roles and how you sign up knowing the ingredients going in but that doesn’t guarantee that the end result will match what you’re visualizing. He’s had a good arc so check out that episode to hear more about it.

James Clear (School of Greatness)

Speaking of ingredients, there are a few different things that have motivated me to increase the amount that I walk. One of them is James Clear’s appearance on Lewis Howes’s School of Greatness. Clear’s book Atomic Habits is coming out soon and Lewis asks him what his five non-negotiable habits are. He starts with three:

  1. Exercise: He strength trains 4 days a week and finds a lot of mental benefits from it along with the physical benefits.
  2. Reading: He describes reading as the ultimate meta skill to improvement. So many things can be solved by reading. Most problems aren’t new so there’s something out there that will help you solve it.
  3. Writing: He says writing is thinking. If you hear something and reply to it right away then it’s an emotional reaction. If you write about it you’ll take more time to consider the idea and weigh it against ÷your existing frameworks.

Those three are his foundational habits. (The other 2 of 5 he picks are walking and sleeping.)

Oh yeah, so that was some inspiration for my walking routine because it combines those three core habits. Albeit in less effective ways but I’m hoping that the duration and consistency makes up for it. When I walk I’m able to (1) exercise — walking is healthy, (2) read — by listening to audiobooks, and (3) write — I’ll add notes to the audiobook and also stop for a few minutes to sit down and write a little bit.

Ryan Holiday (James Altucher Show)

I just hated all of that so I said, “Why don’t I just start a company where I only work on things that I like?”

This episode is a live recording from James Altucher’s 5-year celebration of Choose Yourself. They discuss one of Ryan Holiday’s recent purchases (an entire ghost town), why you absolutely shouldn’t start a podcast (and why you absolutely should), what went into publishing Choose Yourself (and some other titles like Pick Yourself), and what one of Michael Jordan’s weaknesses is (which used to be one of his greatest strengths).

Pairs well with… It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson.

Theres’s a lot of similarities in Ryan Holiday, Jason Fried, and DHH’s approaches to work. One important part of that is taking the time to identify what you enjoy about your work and trying to maximize the time you can spend doing that.

Part of that comes from keeping your company small. From It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work:

We decided that if the good old days were so good, we’d do our best to simply settle there. Maintain a sustainable, manageable size. We’d still grow, but slowly and in control. We’d stay in the good days—no need to call them old anymore.

I really like how Ryan Holiday frames it. A frequent twist is that your goal somehow becomes the opposite of your initial motivation:

The other interesting thing about so much of entrepreneurship is, like, people start their own company ‘cause they want to be their own boss. And then the exit strategy is you sell to another company which you then have to go work at for an extended period of time. So the success is that you end up doing the one thing that you specifically did not want to do.

Know yourself: learn what you enjoy doing and then shape your environment to be able to do it often. (Even if it means moving—Ryan hates New York and moved to Austin.)

What’s coming down the line

I finished this a full week after starting it. That’s too long and unsustainable for a newsletter. That said, what’s here is mostly what I wrote that night (update: Conor lost, bad) then I sat on this as a draft for the week because there was an entire section about the long walks I’ve been taking. I’ll make that a separate post and might focus the newsletter to just reading updates (finished, in-progress, upcoming) and favorite podcast episodes from the week.

I’ll leave with this collage from my walks.

Weaving my finisher hat

I’ve got a decent thinking cap. I have a bunch of rough outlines for posts and videos. Some are even pretty thorough drafts.

Now I need the finisher’s hat.

Currently my input/output looks something like this.

Now, I don’t think it should be a full green bar of finished work. Imagining a world where every idea needs to be taken to completion reminds me of a line from The Wise Man’s Fear:

“To carry a sword your whole life, knowing it was only for killing …” She shook her head. “What would that do to a person’s mind? It would be a horrible thing.”

Writing isn’t war, a pen isn’t a sword, a laptop isn’t a bazooka. But what might it do to a person’s mind if they could only write things the entire world could see?

Still, I’d like it to be closer to this:

More finished work. Fewer unfinished drafts.

These two things will be helpful for me to keep in mind:

Taking ideas to outlines is good. With an outline I can see if there are connections to other things. I can see if some shape forms around the idea without much of a time investment. Outlines don’t create the guilt that an unfinished draft does.

Taking outlines to drafts and not finishing them is bad. There’s value in writing, but the reason I don’t finish is hardly ever “this doesn’t meet my standards” (because they’re low!) and usually more along the lines of “I don’t want to add links and revise this”. Let me just start a draft for another idea…

Assuming I have the same amount of time for all of this, it makes sense to stop making new rough drafts and finishing the existing ones. It also makes sense to try following these guidelines.

  • Make videos from posts and posts from videos. At some point in the past, I decided there was enough in the idea to make a video or a post about it. That’s a good starting point for taking it to the other medium. The assumption here is that value is created both ways. Starting with something written makes for a better video. Adding a video to a text post adds something that’s a little more interesting. And (hopefully) increases the chance that someone will watch the video.
  • If starting from scratch, have a quote or two. Because I’m not writing about things I’m a subject matter expert in, it can be really helpful to have at least one quote to work with. It’s like bringing someone in that knows what they’re talking about.
    And now we’ll see if this helps me become a finisher. I’m going to make a blogging about blogging category.

    P.S. I’m liking this setup with the iPad below my monitor. I doodle in the standard Notes app and grab a screenshot to paste into WordPress.

Focus on two minutes (Podcast Notes: James Clear)

 

I’ve been walking more:

When I started, my goal was to get to ten miles daily. After actually getting to ten miles in a day and seeing just how long that took, I’m thinking something like 3 in the morning and 3 at night would be sustainable. Then 4 and 4 or 5 and 5 on weekend days.

I’ll write about this walking routine more (when I’m a few more weeks in). Right now I want to see how it breaks into habits and routines.

On the past few long walks, I’ve been listening to James Clear interviews—he’s been on a lot of podcasts in the past month talking about his book Atomic Habits which is coming out next week. (I can’t wait.)

Focus on what you can do in two minutes. Walking for an hour isn’t really the habit. Just like lifting weights for an hour isn’t really the habit. Though I do see the value in calling it a workout habit, it’s useful to separate habits and routines for thinking through them and executing.

I’ll just break down walking.

  • The routine: Walking for 60-90 minutes first thing in the morning.
  • The habits involved: Drinking water/coffee, showering (cold), brushing teeth, putting workout clothes on, putting headphones on, heading out the door.
  • The key two minutes: Water/coffee and putting workout clothes on.

When I wake up, a tug of war starts between the apartment door and my bed. All those habits If I have coffee, it helps remind me that I won’t be able to go back to sleep anyway. All the other habits are like wrestlers jumping into the tug of war  against a lion (more sleep).

(James mentions that he doesn’t cheat himself on sleep. I do the same. No 4am alarms for me unless I’m asleep by 9pm. Aka no 4am alarms for me ever. If I don’t sleep enough, I walk less in the morning and try to make it up in the evening.)

I use my phone while walking and restrict my first check to when I’m outside. This is an attempt at using some of the enemy’s momentum positively. I’m addicted to my phone. Getting better, but still it tugs at my brain first thing on waking up. Now I use it as a reward. Once you’re outside, you can check your phone.

The key two minutes are the two habits that really get me out the door. If I have water and coffee, I know I won’t be able to go back to sleep even if I lie back down. If I put workout clothes, I’m ready to step out. When you can break something down into two minutes, you can focus on practicing just that small piece. Then I can get out the door as fast as possible.

And then I have nothing else to do but the walking routine.

Write in the editor Vol. ?

I’m writing in the editor again. When I do, I finish posts. When I don’t, I don’t finish posts.

I write in Evernote and Ulysses often. Over the past weekend I broke things down so and made a bunch of different notes in Ulysses to treat as components to put a newsletter together.

Mission accomplished: Now I have a bunch of pieces that I need to put together as a newsletter.

What I don’t currently have is the urge to finish that up. Instead I’m writing this post about finishing things.

When I was planning how I’d break things down it had a familiar feeling of previous times I wrote a little at a time and then let things linger as a giant draft too long. Then I never got around to ever posting anything.

That newsletter post is a few thousand words long and it’s about 80% of the way there. I need to remember just how long everything can take.

Also, the math for motivation doesn’t work that well. Let’s say I have 2 posts:

  1. 500 words long
  2. 2500 words long

It might seem like editing would take 5x as long but it seems to take more like 10-15x as much time and energy. There’s got to be some kind of mountain climbing analogy. It’s a light at the end of the tunnel thing.

(And by editing I don’t really even mean culling words and improving the writing. Pretty much making sure I add links and get rid of all the notes to self. Which is another thing about writing giant pieces. Scanning it end to end takes longer because there’s so much less confidence that you caught everything that could be in there. My point is: Writing a book is probably 1000x worse.)

Ok I’m going to just post this and put it out into the world.

Oh give me a hell yeah (a calm yeah works also)

Stone Cold Steve Austin has a podcast and is pretty much his wrestling character because his wrestling character was him. From an IGN interview (2005):

I didn’t know, so I asked Rick Rude and Ricky Steamboat what I’m doing wrong. I was a great mechanic, but the entertainment value was clearly missing, so when I finally began making the transition to “Stone Cold”, and was venting my frustrations through the character, it all sort of fell into place. Letting loose and being myself I owe to those guys.

It’s a great position that he earned and has taken advantage of to have great things post-wrestling. In 1998, he was working the same character that he would be happy to work 20 years later.

That’s worth striving for. Even if you work at a desk.

Jason Fried and DHH released “It Doesn’t Have to be Crazy at Work” this week. “The Calm Company” was the working title. If you think calm is a good thing, you’ll enjoy this book.

If you like things crazy, this might go a step toward changing your mind.

Particularly if you think the craziness is only temporary. For now. To kick start things and then you can calm it down later.

From “It Doesn’t Have to be Crazy at Work”:

You have to keep asking yourself if the way you’re working today is the way you’d want to work in 10, 20, or 30 years. If not, now is the time to make a change, not “later.”

We always think we can do things later. That things will be better later. After you get through these three years grinding then you can relax. But if you grind for three years (or, hey, ten) and attribute it all to hard work, you’ll be pretty hesitant to take your foot off the pedal.

I like that the book’s themes can apply generally outside of just working in tech. You carry around a portal to be everywhere except where you are. There are notifications for everything. You can over schedule yourself with a few taps here and there. Then fill the gaps in looking at other people’s perfect lives.

It’s great to step back and calm down.

Pair this book with a podcast…

DHH and Jason Fried have each been on Tim Ferriss’s podcast (DHH Oct 2016, DHH Nov 2016, Jason Fried Jul 2018) and they’re some of my favorite episodes of any podcast. On one of those episodes, Tim and DHH talk about people who drive themselves hard to build and sell a company and then end up unhappy on the other side of that.

Something that’s stuck with me and that jives with the idea from that book excerpt above is that you should practice being rich. Because you’re not just going to flip a switch 10 years from now. You have to start changing today.

If you’re on a path to become rich, you better start practicing being rich:

If you want to be good and you hope to enjoy all these things by using your time for fun when you have money, you have to practice that before you have money. It sounds ridiculous, but I think that money is like alcohol in the sense that it just makes you more of who you already are.

Stone Cold always says he was just himself but turned up a notch or two. He became successful being himself so it didn’t really change all that much when wrestling ended.

Lastly, if you remember one thing remember this: if you’re ever in doubt, ask Rick Rude and Ricky Steamboat.